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About

In this powerful episode of the Resilient Pastor podcast, host Glenn Packiam sits down with Todd Proctor, former lead pastor of Rock Harbor Church and current executive leader at Alpha USA. They explore how to raise up the next generation of leaders, practice kingdom-minded succession instead of empire building, and cultivate a healthy church culture through radical hospitality and dependence on the Holy Spirit. Drawing from Todd’s experience leading a multiplying church and his work with Alpha, this conversation offers hope and practical wisdom for pastors navigating generational transition, leadership fatigue, and cultural change.

Whether you’re a seasoned senior leader, a young emerging voice, or simply feeling weary in ministry, this episode reframes succession, leadership development, and church renewal through the lens of Ezra 3, Philippians 2, and the power of tables and prayer.

Key Takeaways

• God doesn’t ask you to become someone else — He wants to work through who you already are.
• Strong leaders should partner with other strong leaders rather than fearing them.
• Raising up the next generation requires intentionally “going lower” so others can rise higher (Philippians 2).
• Churches must shift from empire-building to kingdom-mindedness — developing leaders even if they don’t stay “yours.”
• Effective succession demands prayer, purging old systems, patience, and cultural congruence.
• Alpha Course is more than an evangelism tool — it reshapes church culture around tables, conversation, hospitality, and openness to the Holy Spirit.
• New church foundations must begin at the altar — returning to dependence on God’s presence through prayer and sacrifice.
• The current moment mirrors Ezra 3: older generations grieve what was lost while younger leaders shout for joy at the chance to build something new.

Highlights

• “If God chose you, He wants to do it through you. He doesn’t want you to become someone different.”
• “Do you want to be the best, or do you want to raise up 20 better than you?” — Don Williams
• “Relationships are the currency of the kingdom — and I am a rich man.”
• “We don’t have to reconstruct a lesser version of what we lost. There’s something new God is up to.”
• “Tables will be part of whatever new foundations look like.”
• “Come Holy Spirit — we welcome You. We need more than our best efforts can explain.”
• Prayer, purging, and patience are essential for healthy leadership transitions.

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