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About

In the season finale of the Resilient Pastor podcast, host Glenn Packiam sits down with Dr. Derwin Gray, lead pastor of Transformation Church and bestselling author of How to Heal Our Racial Divide. This powerful conversation explores why multiethnic churches matter, how the gospel creates not just forgiveness but a reconciled multiethnic family, and why the church must move beyond worldly diversity agendas to embody the unity Jesus prayed for. From Derwin’s remarkable journey as an NFL player to church planter, this episode delivers a biblical theology of race, unity, and discipleship that every pastor needs to hear.

Key Takeaways

• The gospel is bigger than personal forgiveness — it creates a new, multiethnic family that displays God’s glory to the world.
• Unity in the church is not optional; it is both a gift of the Spirit and a powerful witness that Jesus is Lord.
• Churches must pursue more than diversity — the goal is deep family, shared power, mutuality, and love across ethnic lines.
• Western individualism weakens the church; the biblical gospel calls us to lament, empathize, and see ourselves as one body in Christ.
• Healthy pastors who preach the full gospel consistently build a reservoir of biblical conviction that sustains the church through cultural storms.
• Political identities must never supersede our primary allegiance to King Jesus and the multiethnic kingdom of God.

Highlights

• “When Jesus said go make disciples of all nations, he didn’t just mean across the sea. He meant across the street.”
• “Transformation Church is not a church that focuses on being multiethnic. We focus on Jesus… therefore, we are multiethnic.”
• “The elephant and the donkey are not the kingdom of God. The Lamb of God represents the kingdom.”
• “The gospel doesn’t say wait until the problem knocks on your door. The gospel says I am my brother’s keeper.”
• “Healthy is better than big. Tumors are big. Weeds grow fast. But health starts with a healthy you.”

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