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In this powerful episode of the Resilient Pastor Podcast, David Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder of the Jude 3 Project, one of today’s most respected Christian apologists. Together they explore the growing trend of faith deconstruction, the gap between what Christians believe and what they experience, and how pastors can better shepherd people through doubt with curiosity, compassion, and wisdom. The conversation blends personal stories, cultural insight, and practical guidance for leaders seeking to reach younger generations navigating faith, pain, and skepticism.

Rich, Sharon, and Glenn also engage in a robust pre-interview discussion about broken handles in Christian culture, the difference between cultural Christianity and genuine faith, and how the church can create safe spaces for hard questions without fear.

Key Takeaways

• Many people deconstruct because they were handed good truths with broken handles — such as legalism instead of biblical authority or purity culture instead of healthy sexual ethics.
• Deconstruction often stems from emotional pain, hypocrisy, shallow formation, and a lack of safe spaces to ask hard questions.
• Creating non-anxious, curious environments where doubt is normalized is essential for discipleship.
• Faith must move from “dating Christianity” to a deep, committed relationship with Jesus.
• Sharing stories from a place of healing — not brokenness — offers genuine hope to those wrestling with faith.
• Prayer, listening, and empathetic relationship-building are more powerful than winning intellectual arguments.
• Pastors must pursue their own inner healing to become agents of healing for their congregations.

Highlights

• “You were handed something very good but with broken handles.” — Sharon
• “The questions people are carrying don’t have enough spaces where they can be curiously and compassionately held.” — Rich
• “It’s easier to walk away when you’re just dating someone versus when you’re married.” — Lisa Fields on shallow faith commitments
• “Listening to people is an act of love.” — Lisa Fields
• “When you’re healed, you tell the story differently.” — Lisa Fields on vulnerable leadership
• “The church has an opportunity to be a hospital and a place of making meaning out of our suffering.” — David Kinnaman
• “Allow God to provide the inner healing that you need… then you’ll be able to be a healing agent to the people God sends you.” — Lisa Fields

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